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[FR] Add +1/-1 mailto: links for quick voting in favor/against requests

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As discussed, filing a format feature request.

I feel like there is a greater chance for people to vote starting from
Woof! interface where they directly see the current +/- votes. mailto:
links will make it easy to write voting emails without compromising the
idea behind read-only nature of Woof!.

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Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:

> As discussed, filing a format feature request.

Thanks!

> I feel like there is a greater chance for people to vote starting from
> Woof! interface where they directly see the current +/- votes. mailto:
> links will make it easy to write voting emails without compromising the
> idea behind read-only nature of Woof!.

Thinking more carefully about this, I don't think the UI should
encourage users to reply without reading the email they reply to,
be it for votes or for other types of reports.

When user follow the link to a report, they arrive e.g. on the 
https://lists.sr.ht/~user/public-list/message-id page where they
can click on "Reply to thread".  public-inbox also exposes a way
to reply to an email.

-1 for me on this one.

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Bastien <bzg@gnu.org> writes:

> Thinking more carefully about this, I don't think the UI should
> encourage users to reply without reading the email they reply to,
> be it for votes or for other types of reports.
>
> When user follow the link to a report, they arrive e.g. on the 
> https://lists.sr.ht/~user/public-list/message-id page where they
> can click on "Reply to thread".  public-inbox also exposes a way
> to reply to an email.

Fair point.
I wish there could be a way to enhance public inbox with extra reply
buttons then...

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Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:

> I wish there could be a way to enhance public inbox with extra reply
> buttons then...

Yes, I understand...

One thing to keep in mind: in the long run, maybe Woof web UI will
*not* be the main way of checking Woof data: people will have a local
copy of all the woof sources they want to follow, and Emacs users an
Emacs mode to jump from a Woof report to the related email, and then
be able to reply from there.

We might even imagine a Woof client in a terminal, using xdg to reply
to emails.

I'm not too worried about the fact that the web UI is not efficient
enough for nudging readers to reply.

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Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:

> Bastien <bzg@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Thinking more carefully about this, I don't think the UI should
>> encourage users to reply without reading the email they reply to,
>> be it for votes or for other types of reports.
>>
>> When user follow the link to a report, they arrive e.g. on the 
>> https://lists.sr.ht/~user/public-list/message-id page where they
>> can click on "Reply to thread".  public-inbox also exposes a way
>> to reply to an email.
>
> Fair point.
> I wish there could be a way to enhance public inbox with extra reply
> buttons then...

Actually, https://list.orgmode.org/Y7hU%2Fsqx00M0sycX@tuxteam.de/#R
lists a mailto link that we *can* recreate from Woof, so adding this
as a possibility is still to be considered.

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Bastien <bzg@gnu.org> writes:

> One thing to keep in mind: in the long run, maybe Woof web UI will
> *not* be the main way of checking Woof data: people will have a local
> copy of all the woof sources they want to follow, and Emacs users an
> Emacs mode to jump from a Woof report to the related email, and then
> be able to reply from there.
>
> We might even imagine a Woof client in a terminal, using xdg to reply
> to emails.
>
> I'm not too worried about the fact that the web UI is not efficient
> enough for nudging readers to reply.

I disagree.

One of the big problems we face when approaching younger users is their
reliance on web UI. I think that we should provide a web UI that is
helping such users to switch, not the one assuming that users already
know other means to communicate.

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Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:

> One of the big problems we face when approaching younger users is their
> reliance on web UI. I think that we should provide a web UI that is
> helping such users to switch, not the one assuming that users already
> know other means to communicate.

As a general statement, I agree: the new generation relies on web UI.

But for the specific case discussed here (how to encourage Woof users
to reply to reports), we are discussing about *users that are already
subscribers to a mailing list*.

The question is: should we make it easy for users to reply to an email
from the web UI while replying to this very email can be done through
there mail client?

How often do you use the mailto link in https://list.orgmode.org ?

So I agree such a generic mailto link is a plus in the web UI (and I
will add it) but I'm not too worried about the lack of such link for
now.  (It seems more important to develop an Emacs mode for Woof.)

2 cts,

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Bastien <bzg@gnu.org> writes:

> Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:
>
>> One of the big problems we face when approaching younger users is their
>> reliance on web UI. I think that we should provide a web UI that is
>> helping such users to switch, not the one assuming that users already
>> know other means to communicate.
>
> As a general statement, I agree: the new generation relies on web UI.
>
> But for the specific case discussed here (how to encourage Woof users
> to reply to reports), we are discussing about *users that are already
> subscribers to a mailing list*.

Emm. Why so? People may reach Woof! interface without being subscribed.

> The question is: should we make it easy for users to reply to an email
> from the web UI while replying to this very email can be done through
> there mail client?

Yes, I think, even for subscribed users. I sometimes have to invoke
search to find the email I opened in browser for some reason.

> How often do you use the mailto link in https://list.orgmode.org ?

Not very often, but that's because I have a local copy of the whole Org
mailing list on my machine and can search it. Reply-to link does not
auto-quote the previous message in the reply. But Reply-to is better
than nothing for people who don't have the mailing list stored
locally/on their IMAP server.

> So I agree such a generic mailto link is a plus in the web UI (and I
> will add it) but I'm not too worried about the lack of such link for
> now.  (It seems more important to develop an Emacs mode for Woof.)

Emacs mode is not so important for me as long as I have Org mode :)
I can track things anyway - I see Woof! more like a collaboration tool
for people to use when they don't want to watch the full ML traffic.
For example, some package maintainers may prefer using Woof! to watch
for relevant bug reports.

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Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:

>> The question is: should we make it easy for users to reply to an email
>> from the web UI while replying to this very email can be done through
>> there mail client?
>
> Yes, I think, even for subscribed users. I sometimes have to invoke
> search to find the email I opened in browser for some reason.

Fair enough, I'll explore this possibility.

> I see Woof! more like a collaboration tool
> for people to use when they don't want to watch the full ML traffic.
> For example, some package maintainers may prefer using Woof! to watch
> for relevant bug reports.

Yes, this is also exactly how I see Woof!.

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