Would you like me to wait on this until we decide about the gempub
generation mechanism/syntax? 

~mieum

> I like this.  Simple, and it automatically includes chapter titles to
> the index/ToC.  In that case then we'd either need to start numbering
> headers in the gemtext itself or have the converter script auto-number
> the chapters, because gemtext doesn't auto-number for us usually.

Is the purpose of the numbering just to preserve the order of the
chapters when generating the gempub?

> I don't really like specifying the names of the chapters in the heading,
> but I do like the automatic generation for when manual labelling isn't
> needed.  Like we could have a key where every h1 is a chapter, or every
> h2, or every h1 and h2, etc.  For my The King in Yellow (as an example),
> you could split on every h2 and to split on chapters I think.

> So is that a nack on possibly adding YAML (or something) throughout the
> document to indicate where to break apart a file into separate files?
Sorry, I didn't realize you were suggesting that. I think I have been
dazed by the suddenly summery weather here @_@

> Thinking about it more it wouldn't add that much more for contributors
> (just add markup every chapter break while you're converting to gemtext)
> and it'd be pretty easy to convert from the one-page format to gempub if
> you have actual markers on where to split it up (and also some
> indication of what to title each chapter in the index file).

So, for instance, headings preceeded by a '%' could indicate a chapter?
The added bonus of doing something like this is being able to
automatically generate a ToC or break up long texts by chapter for

> > Should this file have a title heading + byline? Is it preferrable to
> > programatically insert those using the metadata, or to have
> > contributors format submissions with a title and byline themselves?
> I think it should.  In my opinion (I don't know what you envisioned),
> you should be able to strip out all YAML and other such elements and get
> a standalone gemtext document without having to make any modifications,
> which means it should include all title, byline, and possibly copyright
> info at the bottom.

That's more or less how I had pictured it, although I think I had planned
on appending the license/attribution postabmble to each item
programatically. That way I can keep things consistent, and link the the
appropriate license text when necessary etc. I had a good think about it
today after reading your reply. It is less work to have the license and

> > I think gempubs are a great idea! Is there a particular reason you
> > suggest them to be optional?
> It is a minor to major amount of extra work when making them by hand,
> and I didn't want to burden extra contributors too much.
...
> I'd say that properly splitting up an arbitrary book into a gempub
> programatically (without manual intervention and reediting at least)
> would be very difficult.
...
> It'd probably be easy to to throw together a script to run down the
> index.gmi line-by-line and concatenate like a real gempub reader would.
> The reverse is hard, because how can you know whether a header is a
> chapter or section that should be split up or a minor break that
> shouldn't, and whether a section has stuff meant to come before it

I accidentally responded direcrly to nytpu, so I'll re-reply to the
list.

I think gempubs are a great idea! Is there a particular reason you
suggest them to be optional? It seems that gempub archives could be
generated for each item easily enough at the time of cataloging.

Either way, I will prepare to handle gempub submissions alongside a
gemtext version, and I will at least devise a basic utility for
generating them in the cataloging phase.

Thanks nytpu!

~mieum

> I've added the key "title" under "publication" in the YAML front-
> matter to refer to the publication/magazine in which the story was
> originally published.

Ah, thanks, I'll update the template! 

And thanks for the patch tiis! It's been aplied and pushed. Lovecraft
seems like a nice way to start populating these shelves :)

~mieum

On Tue, Jun 08, 2021 at 07:11:17PM -0600, nytpu wrote:
> To note: Like how the author metadata field is lastname, firstname for
> sorting purposes, I made the title field have a suffix "the" to
> facilitate sorting.

Thank you! I'll add that to thr guidlines!
 
> Also, if my proposal about including gempubs is accepted, there is a
> gempub for The King in Yellow available here:
> gemini://nytpu.com/gpubs/the-king-in-yellow.gpub
> (I can send another patch adding it if necessary)

I think I will just have the cataloguer build the gempubs from this
gemtext file to keep things consistent. But I will reference that to

Thanks for the patch tiis! I would love for Lovecraft to be the first
book to get cataloged! 

I had a couple suggestions:

> +author: H.P. Lovecraft
I realized that author/editor fields should probably be formatted <Last
name, First name> to facilitate sorting. I'll add that to the readme.

> +---
> +(Found among the papers of the late Francis Wayland Thurston, of Boston.)
> +
> +> “Of such great powers or beings there may be conceivably a survival . . . a survival of a hugely remote period when . . . consciousness was manifested, perhaps, in shapes and forms long since withdrawn before the tide of advancing humanity ... forms of which poetry and legend alone have caught a flying memory and called them gods, monsters, mythical beings of all sorts and kinds. . . .”—Algernon Blackwood.
> +

Hey folks,

I hope chiming in tangentially like this isn't a faux pas.

I just wanted to say that I am grateful for all of you skilled and wise
(and opinionated) people here on this list and Gemini at large. I
consider myself among the most plebian of laymen, and have learned A LOT
keeping an ear to the pavement about all things Gemini here. I am
grateful that there are so many passionate and knowledgeable people
caring about Gemini. 

In regard to the issue of this thread, I see many people whom I admire
and respect expressing valid concerns about an important issue. I hope
that all concerned parties here can hear each other, and that with this