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From: scandox <scandox@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 00:46:32 +0000
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Subject: Re: Self hosted email spam
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I've had much better overall delivery using Hetzner servers than
Vultr. Vultr regularly gets listed on UCEProtect Level 2 and 3.
Hetzner is very attentive to abuse reports and has managed to keep
their reputation reasonably stable (though by no means pristine).

Daniel

On Wed, 22 Dec 2021 at 00:18, Sebastian LaVine <mail@smlavine.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue Dec 21, 2021 at 6:54 PM EST, Kalyan Sriram wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > For the past year, I've been self hosting email (using postfix + dovecot
> > on a Vultr VPS) - both as an educational exercise and a chance to get
> > away from Google - which is tied to my domain, coderkalyan.com. However,
> > when I first set it up, I was unable to get GMail to not put me in spam,
> > so I decided to go with Amazon SES as an SMTP proxy so I could rest
> > assured my email was being delivered.
> >
> > Recently, I came across the [maddy](https://maddy.email) email client
> > and have been using it for the past couple of weeks. I decided that
> > since I had to rip out my existing DNS configuration and redo it, I'd
> > take the opportunity to try to remove AWS from my workflow However,
> > despite multiple days of googling and trying, I'm unable to get gmail to
> > accept my messages into primary inbox. Even with all the usual anti-spam
> > measures implemented, they put me in spam (which is slightly better than
> > not receiving it at all, which is what they do if you don't have
> > everything set up). What I've tried so far:
> >
> > * DKIM and DMARC set up
> > * SPF records
> > * configured reverse DNS through Vultr and it seems to be working
> > * google site verification TXT record
> > * TLSA/DANE record
> > * MTA-STS record and subdomain setup (mta-sts.coderkalyan.com)
> > * 10/10 score on https://mail-tester.com
> > * high scores on other mail testing platforms, in fact the only issue
> > I've seen is that I don't fill out a lists unsubscribe header (which
> > doesn't seem sensible for a private email server).
> > * I've tried to use Google Postmaster tools and other reputation sites
> > but apparently postmaster doesn't even bother to look at your domain
> > until you meet a certain email throughput, which is designed for
> > businesses sending to large mailing lists so I'll never meet that.
> >
> > I suspect I'm not the only person on this mailing list who self-hosts,
> > so I thought I'd reach out to see if anyone could help me out. Correct
> > me if I'm wrong, not sure how exactly mailing lists are implemented, but
> > I assume lists.sr.ht itself needs to pass some sort of spam checks to
> > get delivered to GMail inboxes (and for the most part I haven't seen
> > issues with that in the past).
> >
> > Any advice would be much appreciated. Please do not suggest that I move
> > to a hosted provider or use an SMTP proxy. I realize that these exist
> > (even ethical ones like Migadu) and do not need others to tell me that.
> > I will move back to an SMTP proxy if all else fails, but I'm interested
> > in solving this problem directly.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kalyan Sriram
>
> Hi Kalyan,
>
> I've self-hosted my email on my Vultr VPS for several months now with no
> issue. I set it up with this script[0] which you may find useful.
>
> -- Sebastian
>
> [0]: https://github.com/LukeSmithxyz/emailwiz