Received: from mail-ej1-f44.google.com (mail-ej1-f44.google.com [209.85.218.44]) by mail-b.sr.ht (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A25C5FF0DC for <~sircmpwn/sr.ht-discuss@lists.sr.ht>; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 15:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail-b.sr.ht; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b=CpLldG41 Received: by mail-ej1-f44.google.com with SMTP id f7so6475437ejq.6 for <~sircmpwn/sr.ht-discuss@lists.sr.ht>; Thu, 04 Jun 2020 08:04:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:subject:to:references:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=plvyFDoMuhbVUsU5H8OIZP2X62sV3PMYJFvhl0RmO9M=; b=CpLldG41bFr86YLvrVtOnxehsDx8v3wUNXzRKnmm/b/AMH+VART9BqiJNzfqfGbmCV DwxGQiNrpvtk4Fpo/PkR/CYQfA4RzqeG3ecZTYCNhSiTXW3fuXBZXgOwqqwBIF2+4oQc WljypXA37mNCX23rnEMNcvu6sow5B0yPNrYT+X9Jn2vBEYgOHsceQCQ6JuamfWlF9p0A ahKkb0arfm1WGEDssNnciVjogxmqjTA+7gBnoNeOmPqRPlqOk+TTBB7rknZVos05km11 4d5Ch/vVFDXTJ7Fxofiy0FVq4Tgz81s9D4YWCB+UcGLifq99MCJP3MwptvrRsNTzFqwF FFNw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:subject:to:references:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=plvyFDoMuhbVUsU5H8OIZP2X62sV3PMYJFvhl0RmO9M=; b=nBuASKaQlrKGCqEf5AMFN4ukSDlVKBnrnbdbJJSEnKSeCiUZWH5VJQb4/cu8YAo+66 wJwQCc+bk5V5OuY/6OJnFDtRXHdfOOrAdkCrrFSAAFf5DO9foaLRsvkAJZmNmqpGtlQ7 VaCqqzjfR7Bz7TsmsWifNj45XPK4990Ons5dJsF+j1vrXGZuRWLW6MKjtmWtcFQ32rOO C3JbmAwd42HmUuwnqzdtEyY9susHQbhD+yVUaKiT6EawHDtB9v+meVZDuUwFQjD0L2Jr BymrwH+UURAPHq0sg0r9c6n5p7CUc3CJJcEH40er5rtfW0AGKDUFmOOM1to33+MKR80I Ug+w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530ml8cjvIHV1FvzO2lbTGEZZPllBChTJ1VHTfEoC7tlkVqIbqfO O3gmo9nmq9UNURO2Y6VkchVjTc0xG3Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxSrLixJAcAH9W89mLgHW8RG7ilM+MBW1TJXEiD9fbGF4d0ESg5vCuAdoWFqSNZIuZnF+u6aA== X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:2cc5:: with SMTP id r5mr4169313ejr.247.1591283072194; Thu, 04 Jun 2020 08:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.100.100.224] (ip5f5ac448.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de. [95.90.196.72]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id oq28sm2433084ejb.12.2020.06.04.08.04.31 for <~sircmpwn/sr.ht-discuss@lists.sr.ht> (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Jun 2020 08:04:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Zlatko Duric X-Google-Original-From: Zlatko Duric Subject: Re: Discuss: proposed changes to the SourceHut terms of service To: ~sircmpwn/sr.ht-discuss@lists.sr.ht References: <20200603163517.0160e165@fibramid.bearbin.net> <20200604154838.196e9774@fibramid.bearbin.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 17:04:30 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200604154838.196e9774@fibramid.bearbin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US On 04.06.20 16:48, Alexander Harkness wrote: > On Wed, 03 Jun 2020 09:41:49 -0600 > "Drew DeVault" wrote: > >> On Wed Jun 3, 2020 at 10:35 AM MDT, Alexander Harkness wrote: >>> I am also concerned with the loose language about "the services". >>> By my reading of the proposed ToS, I would no longer be able to use >>> sourcehut to track issues or run a mailing list for my hypothetical >>> non-free project, even if the source code was hosted elsewhere (or >>> even if my project didn't have 'code' as such!). These features of >>> sourcehut stand on their own and enforcing restrictions would be an >>> unwelcome imposition on user freedom. >> Your reading is correct, this is by design. The goal is not to support >> proprietary software endeavours in any way. > I can't say I agree with this, even though it's a perfectly reasonable > position for a service like sourcehut to take. > > Just in the same way as private repositories are allowed to contain > non free-software content, I think allowing at least the lists, todo and > wiki services to be used without restriction is helpful to users who > want to work on their own projects without having to perform > context-switches between many different project platforms. My feeling > is that that would not compromise the mission while at the same time > enhancing usability for real-world free-software developers using > sourcehut in the main for free-software development. Is a todo list copyrightable thing? I'm asking because I'm curious as to what does Drew think about things that aren't copyrightable, and therefore can't even have a license. -- Zlatko